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3 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

Exactly. And if it's globally instituted, and global government creates new markets out of "making fossil fuels available to parts of the world that don't have it," then E-M will be in a sweet spot. Especially if said gov't limits drilling; they already have lots of wells.

So maybe they're admitting AGW exists, and positioning themselves to profit from it while many of us, by refusing to admit AGW exists and advancing our cause, are positioning ourselves to pay the profits they hope for.

Posted 241 days ago.

harryanderson

Exactly. And if it's globally instituted, and global government creates new markets out of "making fossil fuels available to parts of the world that don't have it," then E-M will be in a sweet spot. Especially if said gov't limits drilling; they already have lots of wells.

So maybe they're admitting AGW exists, and positioning themselves to profit from it while many of us, by refusing to admit AGW exists and advancing our cause, are positioning ourselves to pay the profits they hope for.

Posted 241 days ago.

Cap and trade allows him to pass fixed cost along to customers.

Posted 241 days ago.

harryanderson

Of course Exxon-Mobil has an agenda, and you’ve just pointed it out.

Tillerson’s agenda is “making fossil fuels available (read selling) to parts of the world that don't have it" in spite of knowing that “human-made emissions have contributed to altering the planet's climate.”

And, of course, they support cap-and-trade because it will enable them to continue selling oil. I suspect E-M would be unalterably opposed to cap-and-trade if they weren’t convinced that burning fossil fuels was contributing to AGW.

That’s why I said 37 days ago that I wasn’t sure cap-and-trade is the best solution. It may be the best for E-M, but I’m not sure it’s the best for the rest of us. I fear it will raise prices by creating shortages. If the price goes up, E-M gains, but we lose.

The point I was making still stands: Exxon-Mobil’s CEO has admitted that CO2 is altering the climate.

Posted 242 days ago.

From your article Harry...

Exxon Mobil, once one of the staunchest critics of climate change research, has acknowledged under Tillerson's leadership that human-made emissions have contributed to altering the planet's climate. The company now supports taxing carbon emissions.

Still, Tillerson said issues such as global poverty were more pressing than climate change, and billions of people without access to energy would benefit from oil and gas supplies.

"They'd love to burn fossil fuels because their quality of life would rise immeasurably," he said.

"You'd save millions upon millions of lives by making fossil fuels available to parts of the world that don't have it," he added.

...As I told you 37 days ago, Exxon/Mobile has an agenda in their change regarding climate change.

Posted 242 days ago.

mythravere

Well you know what that means Harry?

Shell and Exxon are funded by George Soros,Al Gore ad. (deadpan)

The socialists.....they have taken two great American industry leading companies for their own!!!!!!!

Nefarious ends are nigh my friend!

Posted 242 days ago.

harryanderson

“Well the freaking oil companies have the money to make the truth come out.”

They sure do have the money, and they are making the truth come out. As I pointed out on this thread 37 days ago, at least 2 big oil companies—Exxon-Mobil and Shell—are now truthfully admitting that anthropogenic CO2 poses a problem.

ww w.reuters.co m/article/2012/06/27/us-exxon-climate-idUSBRE85Q1C820120627

ww w.shell.co m/global/environment-society/environment/climate-change.html

Posted 242 days ago.

harryanderson

“Compression of population centers and controls of food and water resources are gonna be significant issues in any case.”

Unless the warming trend is arrested, that’s quite true. Whether it be voluntary or coerced (by either mankind or environmental change), it’s coming.

Posted 242 days ago.

harryanderson

Meanwhile, amidst the hubbub and hoopla…

…climate scientists have become even more convinced that anthropogenic CO2 is harming the planet. New information is “steadily squeezing out the arguments by a small minority of scientists that natural variations in the climate might be to blame.”

ww w.trust.or g/item/20130816133815-ao2wt/?source=hptop

The laws of physics are impervious to hubbub and hoopla.

Posted 242 days ago.

moderation

Compression of population centers and controls of food and water resources are gonna be significant issues in any case.

Posted 242 days ago.

mythravere

Well the freaking oil companies have the money to make the truth come out. All they gotta do is pay off the scientists since that apparently is all it takes to get what you want said.

Why haven't they or the the ol Koch boys done that pray tell?

No answer for this?

Posted 242 days ago.

mythravere

Wouldn't the science of psychology be used to make that determination?

I guess if it found that I am indeed not crazy...we could just blame the funding right?

Posted 242 days ago.

Tiredofit

You are losing it Myth.

Posted 242 days ago.

mythravere

I am indoctrinated! I am indoctrinated! I am indoctrinated! I am indoctrinated! I am indoctrinated! I am indoctrinated!

Oh praise the holy spirit these words...they lift me up!!!!!

I feel it.....I feeeeeeeeeeeel the inDOCtri..naaationnn.....a leavin meeeeee!

WOO WOO WOO

Gonna go roll on floor and take me up some serpents.......

Posted 242 days ago.

mythravere

Well the freaking oil companies have the money to make the truth come out. All they gotta do is pay off the scientists since that apparently is all it takes to get what you want said.

Why haven't they or the the ol Koch boys done that pray tell?

Posted 242 days ago.

mythravere

Harry Tireofit's mind is made up. Nothing you say or show will change that.

Repeat after me.

Its all the liberals fault. Its all the liberals fault. Its all the liberals fault. Its all the liberals fault. Its all the liberals fault.

Say that every waking moment so we can at last stand in solidarity with him.

Because he is right you know!

Oh yea repeat this also.

Funding funding funding funding funding funding funding funding funding funding funding!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted 242 days ago.

Tiredofit

Throw 79 billion at me and I will show a casual link between flying monkeys and obesity. Geez you two are indoctrinated.

Posted 242 days ago.

Tiredofit

So now you stoop to calling names and pseudo swearing, shows your desperation.

Posted 242 days ago.

mythravere

Good god Tiredofit you really are a sanctimonious phuck aren't you?

Apparently you don't get that some people are concerned with the legacy they leave those that that they care about.

Posted 242 days ago.

harryanderson

You say AGW science is “nonsense.”

You might want to take a peek at the latest news, which provides evidence that scientists are growing more convinced that mankind’s activities are causing most of the recent global warming.

“Drafts seen by Reuters of the study by the U.N. panel of experts, due to be published next month, say it is at least 95 percent likely that human activities - chiefly the burning of fossil fuels - are the main cause of warming since the 1950s. That is up from at least 90 percent in the last report in 2007, 66 percent in 2001, and just over 50 in 1995, steadily squeezing out the arguments by a small minority of scientists that natural variations in the climate might be to blame.”

ww w.trust****/item/20130816133815-ao2wt/?source=hptop

Posted 242 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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