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5 days ago.
by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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harryanderson

As to the suggestion that the climate models have all failed.

Gavin Schmidt of NASA, who provided a usable explanation of climate modeling, says they haven’t failed. He concluded:

“Climate models are unmatched in their ability to quantify otherwise qualitative hypotheses and generate new ideas that can be tested against observations. The models are far from perfect, but they have successfully captured fundamental aspects of air, ocean, and sea-ice circulations and their variability. They are therefore useful tools for estimating the consequences of humankind's ongoing and audacious planetary experiment.”

ww w.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_04/

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

IE is giving me fits sorry for double posts

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

That being said, warmer is better for mankind than cooler so I embrace a warming trend although I realize I have NOTHING to do with it.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

That being said, warmer is better for mankind than cooler so I embrace a warming trend although I realize I have NOTHING to do with it.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

There is NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that CO2 is raising the temps in the world.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

What makes you think the 20th century is NORMAL and the ICE AGE is abnormal?

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

Are glaciers across northern Ohio Normal??? They were at one time. What makes you think that the climate of the 20th century was any more "normal" than that of the ice age?????

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

the Earth's overall temp is rising faster than it should under normal circumstances And what are normal circumstances?????? What do you base that on????? How quickly did the earth warm during the exit of the last ice age>?????

Posted 124 days ago.

Kendall78

I do not ignore failed predictions. However, unlike some people...I do not ignore the overall fact that the Earth's overall temp is rising faster than it should under normal circumstances.

Just because the predictions were not spot on, the important fact to glean from the research is that the Earth's overall temp is rising and it is having an effect upon the overall climate.

It comes down to this..the world is getting warmer. It's either due to mankind's added influence to an already unstable climate system or....what? Nature just up and decided to speed up warming with no evidence to why.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

Then why is it that the climate change deniers seem to ignore super cyclones in the Pacific? Snowstorms in the Middle East? Warmer weather in the Arctic? Seems that they turn a blind eye to weather that doesn't support their views. AHHH why do warmers ignore the failed predictions of such super storms, lowest since 1982? I guess that knife cuts both ways.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

As to the science behind it, the predictions and models have all failed. Peer reviewed as they call it, means nothing but your buddies, who are also being funded by the same source agree. There is a ton of money to be made from this and a lot of power, pay attention to who is the messenger.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

Lets be clear, while I believe that Climate change as its now called is a hoax and being exploited by a Socialist movement or Enviromarxists I am not an advocate of pollution. I don't believe CO2 is a pollutant.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

The only evidence WE have, you and I, are supposition, our own experience and what the press tells us. I would submit that all information provided via media is filtered one way or another.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

I am asking you to look at the politics, whether they are in your decisions or not. See who is advocating and hence filtering your information.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

Kendall, we have lots of evidence that the earth was once very very cold compared to today. I don't pretend to know what brought on any of the ice ages but I can bet it was not SUVs that brought us out. polluting the water and changing the climate are two different things. I just have to wonder if Al Gore was around during the last ice age, would he be decrying the loss of icebergs in Northern Ohio

Posted 124 days ago.

Kendall78

When it comes to Climate Change, I try to ignore the politics of it all and try to focus on the science.

And science has shown that there is more to climate than weather. The Gulf Steam is a prime example. It brings warm water up to N. Europe. But as ice disappears in the arctic, the flow of water move further north and Europe won't get as much of the warmer waters. This will have a profound effect on the continent. "Snowball Earth" is an example of what could happen if the climate changes enough in the wrong ways.

Posted 124 days ago.

Kendall78

Yes...over time but how much time? If mankind does damage to the climate it could take centuries for it to fix itself. But of course, mankind would have to let it fix itself and does that look like it's going to happen in the near future?

"so to say that weather is meaningless to climate is a fools errand."

Then why is it that the climate change deniers seem to ignore super cyclones in the Pacific? Snowstorms in the Middle East? Warmer weather in the Arctic? Seems that they turn a blind eye to weather that doesn't support their views.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

You on the Warming side like to assassinate the character of those who are skeptical, I invite you to take a look at the advocates on your side. You seem as bright as the next guy, take a look. Yes there are fossil fuel types on the skeptical side, I don't have any fossil fuels for sale, but look at the advocates for Govt intervention and try to see why so many of us are skeptical.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

Yes Kendall, a man does control a factory, or his outhouse and can pollute the air water and ground around him, I don't doubt that. But over time, the earth will reclaim the ground. Climate is the collection of weather patterns so to say that weather is meaningless to climate is a fools errand. That is like saying we have no power over an inning, but we can control the game.

Posted 124 days ago.

Tiredofit

R1K, do you think you add a single thing with your endless spamming with links that no one reads including you.

Posted 124 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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