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by mythravere
harryanderson
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Thankfully, the anti-science propaganda campaign surrounding man-made climate change seems to have lost some of its effect.

Are you seeing storm clouds on the horizon? Two recent studies suggest that the latest anti-science campaign is following its forerunners--the propaganda campaigns attempting to refute science that tobacco causes cancer, that CFC's caused the hole in the ozone layer, and so on—into oblivion. Global warming denial seems to have climbed to a peak in 2010, and global warming acceptance is now climbing. This bodes well for rational public policy.

 
 

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luvthesouth

kendall78 et al...please find an excerpt from the website of Dr. Roy Spencer, Ph.D. "Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

“Global warming” refers to the global-a

Posted 98 days ago.

Kendall78

"That lie has been repeated over and over again"

So there is no doubt, what "lie" are you referring to?

Posted 98 days ago.

Tiredofit

That lie has been repeated over and over again, even on this very forum. I hope that we will see a little more honesty from now on but I am SKEPTICAL about it.

Posted 98 days ago.

Tiredofit

I have yet to look closely at that particular study, but just like Dorans study, the bias is obvious when you break it down. Most don't bother they just parrot your president, who was lying.

Posted 98 days ago.

Kendall78

@Tired- Try answering the first part before you go after the second, "So do you disagree with Richard Lizden the Climate Change Skeptic?"

Posted 98 days ago.

Kendall78

"This is NOT 97 percent of scientists, this is a carefully selected slice of scientists."

What kind of scientists do you want to be asked? Those that focus on Theoretical Physics? How about Astrophysics? Maybe Computer Science or Veterinary Medicine?

Why would we want the opinions of scientists that do not have an education in Climatology? It would be like asking a Doctor in Library Studies for their opinion of a heart transplant procedure...it would make no sense.

Posted 98 days ago.

Tiredofit

What makes your opinion more viable than Lizden's educated position on the topic?

Never said my opinion was more viable. Do you enjoy making things up?

Posted 98 days ago.

Kendall78

"I never said that Man was changing climate"

So do you disagree with Richard Lizden the Climate Change Skeptic? Lizden said the following, 1. "We all agree that temperature has increased since 1800."

2. "We all agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas."

3. "there’s hardly anyone serious who says that man has no role. And in many ways, those have never been the questions. The questions have always been, as they ought to be in science, how much?"

What makes your opinion more viable than Lizden's educated position on the topic?

Posted 98 days ago.

Tiredofit

97%-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field???????????????? I sure hope you have more than this, This is NOT 97 percent of scientists, this is a carefully selected slice of scientists. If the most prolific writer was the biggest expert, Myth would be the smartest poster, and we all know that isn't so.

Posted 98 days ago.

Tiredofit

Harry I never said that Man was changing climate, you have lost the lesson you were taught just this very day. The debate was whether your assertion that 97 percent of scientists agreed to that. I proved without a doubt that you were indeed not telling the truth. That has NOTHING to do with what I believe

Posted 98 days ago.

harryanderson

For those who haven't heard, I think it’s time to restate my position on anthropogenic climate change.

I agree with Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson’s statement when he “…acknowledged that burning of fossil fuels is warming the planet, but said society will be able to adapt.”

htt p://ww w.businessinsider.c om/exxon-ceo-rex-tillerson-climate-change-2012-6#ixzz2qV1nhQjg

Tillerson has said it’s “an engineering problem with an engineering solution” and called it “manageable.”

As an optimist, I agree.

As a problem-solver, I also know that we have to address a problem before we can manage it. Fortunately, many folks are addressing the problem, despite the efforts of the counter climate change movement.

Posted 98 days ago.

harryanderson

And, Tiredofit,

I’d like to hear any answer you have to the very relevant question Kendall poses.

If mankind’s activities are changing the climate, and greenhouse gases aren’t changing the climate, what activities of mankind do you believe are changing the climate?

Huh?

Posted 98 days ago.

harryanderson

They “fully support the tenets of the (IPCC).”

The National Academy of Sciences study characterizes those tenets thusly:

“…the primary conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): anthropogenic greenhouse gases have been responsible for ‘most’ of the ‘unequivocal’ warming of the Earth’s average global temperature over the second half of the 20th century.”

Now, even though I didn’t intend to make that claim (nor do I now so claim), and later retracted it, I had already provided evidence lending weight to it.

Tiredofit ignored that evidence, and instead focused on other evidence I provided to support another claim: that 97% of climate scientists agree man’s activities are altering the climate.”

Then, while I was away earning a living, he claimed victory, even though he has never addressed the claim he says he’s debunked.

Posted 98 days ago.

harryanderson

I’ll repost my first post of the morning.

A 2010 study published by the National Academy of Sciences found that “97%-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field fully support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.”

htt p://ww w.pnas.or g/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html

Posted 98 days ago.

Kendall78

"How is that as you say an endorsement of your greenhouse theory?"

What other human activity has been discussed that could have a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?

Posted 98 days ago.

mythravere

"I will debunk your other claims soon enough."

I said that too myself in the voice of the Terminator....aaaah comedy gold.

Get to the choppa!

Posted 98 days ago.

mythravere

Take apart the claims of a warmer?

LOL!

Ok. Seriously. A lot of other "warmer" "claims" have been made....yet where have you taken them apart?

You've invested so much energy in this one little point. Why not show the same gusto as the others.

I guess this is the one where you felt you had a chance of getting somewhere right?

Posted 98 days ago.

mythravere

"And that folks is how you take apart the claims of a warmer."

hahahahahahaah LOL!

No what you did there is find a singular point of contention and then camp out on it and claim victory.

There are so many points to be talked about on this issue. Far better ones than this low hanging fruit you've latched on.

Oh my god this is hilarious.

Posted 98 days ago.

Tiredofit

Cannot link to your other study would like to see it.

Posted 98 days ago.

Tiredofit

And that folks is how you take apart the claims of a warmer.

Posted 98 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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