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263 days ago.
by R1KRA8
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Liberalism" is a disguise for Socialism

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. Congratulations, comrades.

 
 

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mythravere

It seems from my point of view that there are quite a few people who would willingly impose their beliefs on people. The Constitution is held up as a holy relic by some. But those same people who congregate in states to the south of us I feel would change whole swaths of the Constitution to better fit their ideology.

How can a nation remain as one when actions such as that would fracture our national being?

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

Harry I ask this in all honesty. What is the point of the federal government if the states can do as they wish?

An example pertinent to me is this: What in that case is to stop a state contrary to the Constitution from making Christianity the state religion and instituting a purge of everyone that will not adhere to the will of that state?

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

There are solutions to problems. Whether it be a hole in a piece of drywall or a blown engine. It can only be fixed by using the proper tools and the proper parts.

I dont know what you propose as a solution to this countries problems but I get that you feel that the Obama administration is a problem. But going with a Republican administration as a solution is akin to blowing an engine and then slapping another engine on its last legs in the car. Sure it might get you down the road but it will not be a long lasting and reliable solution.

Aren't you sick to death of*****poor performance of our government? If so then you need to steep away from the current two parties if you want to see worthwhile changes made.

In a nutshell thats where I am coming from. Either get the job done right or dont even attempt it.

Posted 433 days ago.

harryanderson

Calhoun wrote, “…the Constitution of the United States is, in fact, a compact, to which each State is a party, in the character already described; and that the several States, or parties, have a right to judge of its infractions; and in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of power not delegated, they have the right, in the last resort, to use the language of the Virginia Resolutions, ‘to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining, within their respective limits, the authorities, rights, and liberties appertaining to them.’ This right of interposition, thus solemnly asserted by the State of Virginia, be it called what it may—State-right, veto, nullification, or by any other name—I conceive to be the fundamental principle of our system…”

Posted 433 days ago.

harryanderson

I find it odd that people invoke 1950’s writer Russian-born atheist Ayn Rand as the progenitor of minimal Federal government rather than 1830’s American-born Christian gentleman John C. Calhoun.

Put down “Atlas Shrugged” and read Calhoun’s 1831 “Fort Hill Address.” It may be taken as a Tea Party manifesto. You will see that Calhoun eloquently invokes reason and history to make his point, whereas Rand invokes emotion and fiction.

I’ll post an excerpt from the “Fort Hill Address” in my next post.

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

And as for what I say being made irrelevant by my non-participation. All I can say is its no loss to me if you choose to ignore what I say. That mindset is why we as a nation cant move past this stupidity that has befallen our political discourse.

Its maddening that people cant go past an agree/disagree way of dealing with things that devolves into a rigid do as I say mentality.

Look at your response to me Bolo. Its almost like you are only prepared for me to either agree with you or in the case of disagreeing you can only deal with what I say like its coming from someone directly in opposition to what you say ie a liberal standpoint.

Otherwise its dont bother talking.

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

By way of my work I literally get to see everyday people acting in nonthinking ways.

Monkey see monkey do! And so the same can be said of people that play the game using the current "rules" if you will.

People are either unwilling or afraid of thinking and acting outside of their respective flocks. They simply line up and parrot the talking points that originate from their group. Like lemmings to the cliff.

The paradigms that are currently out there do not represent what I believe. Sure there are things here and there I agree with but for the most part why should I compromise my principles just to fit in?

That in my book will do no good. But it will sustain the current dysfunctional paradigm.

I'd rather be irrelevant than part of the problem.

Posted 433 days ago.

harryanderson

One can effect social change best by improving his or her own social behavior.

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

It comes down to being able to cause change that is effective. I cant as an individual make any difference in a way I feel is going to cause meaningful change. It will take a large amount of the populace to make that difference.

Posted 433 days ago.

moderation

mralex- first, Reagan passed legislation to restrict firearm ownership. how liberal can he be considered? second, we have been in a financial crisis , (bubbles that burst, but no real recovery bubbles) since the trickle down Reagan pee policy.unfunded wars, on top of unfunded tax reductions.deregulation.... can you define it?

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

Also have you guys not read what I have been writing. You are still acting as if I am a died in the wool Obama supporter. That couldn't be further from the truth.

I dont like him as president. He's owned no differently than Bush was when he was in office by corporate America.

But I'm not going to go out of my way and make wild rabid attacks on Obama. Or as I like to call him "the product".

In case you have forgot though and this is why I focus on the right a lot. Bush and his cronies lied us into a ruinous war. And no one from Bush's era has been scrutinized with the level of vitriol that Obama has.

I ask myself this. If another 9-11 happened on Obama's term how would the rightwing react to it.

Well they most certainly would call for Obama's head!

No one in Bush's regime was brought to task for the failures that allowed 9-11 to happen. But yet look at the response to Benghazi from people on the right.

Extreme outrage.

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

The saying that if you dont stand for something you fall for anything is a convenient axiom that doesn't apply to my thinking at all.

I don't believe in the lesser of two evils. I haven't voted because I haven't found anyone worthy of voting for.

Our system and its politicians are a joke.

That is the problem with this country. I can not vote for either party because they honestly can't get the job done properly.

Posted 433 days ago.

mythravere

Bolo how did you come to the conclusion it was a "leftist" scholar that came up with those 14 points.

The reason I ask that is because a lot of people on the right have a tendency to put the "leftist" stamp on anyone that doesn't think like they do.

Posted 433 days ago.

resolution

"Who is John Galt?"

"The sign of the dollar."

Posted 433 days ago.

resolution

For R1KRA8,

"Atlas Shrugged" could very well be the prophetic novel of our age. Unfortunately, I doubt that the majority of posters on this web site have read the book.

When the producers are outnumbered by the takers tumultuous and cataclysmic events will occur. Maybe not this year or the near following years. But it can and I believe will occur.

If you have not read "Atlas Shrugged" or "Anthem" by Ayn Rand do so with out prejudice post haste!

Posted 433 days ago.

resolution

Mythravere,

Hitler's socialism was called and known as the "National Socialists." True right-wing extremism leads to anarchy.

Obama has exhibited more fascist tendencies than democratic or far right wing that many has wrongly labeled as fascist.

Please study and learn this.

Posted 433 days ago.

moderation

What revisionist history?

Posted 434 days ago.

Tiredofit

Read up on Marx and Lennin and you would swear they were in the DNC.

Posted 434 days ago.

moderation

To what revisionist history, tinfoilhat, do you allude?

Posted 434 days ago.

mythravere

Go look up the 14 points of Fascism that all Fascist dictatorships contained within their ideology. Somehow the rightwing manages to exhibit positions that hit upon each and every one of them.

Posted 435 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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