Okay, gun fetish folks, tell those 20 dead elementary school children at Sandy Hook School in Newtown, CT. why you think everyone should be packing firearms!

Harry when I said you guys, I actually meant you guys, those that were saying that a lack of warming didn't show a lack of warming. I really meant you guys, not a generaization. I believe that climate change is a natural cycle and not associated with carbon release. I am not pro pollution, as co2 is not a pollutant.

Sorry thats what it looks like from my perspective.

And as far as the climate change issue I dont know how anyone can be so convinced its not real or man made whichever group you fall into.

I chalk a lot of that up to the issue being assigned a label as a left wing cause therefor it needs to be vehemently denied train of thought.

I agree that we shouldn’t “lump (others) in a group…with phrases such as YOU GUYS.”

I believe in freedom of association. Let’s allow people to pick their own groups and to have opinions that a majority of their chosen group may not share. Collectivist cultures such as some Asian and Native American enforce uniform thinking in groups, but we here in individualistic America discourage groupthink.

Let’s respect others’ uniqueness.

Therefore, maybe we shouldn’t posts things like, “The lack of warming does not show a lack of warming????? you people will buy anything I guess.”

Myth you love to use sweeping generality with phrases such as YOU GUYS. Making straw men makes it easy to pigeonhole folks and the arguments they make. Its not as simple as you try to make it. I don't have a anti Obama agenda, nor a pro fossil fuel one. I am not a slave to right wing anything but I guess its easier to just lump me in a group, demonize my motives and dismiss me.

Is r1kr8b a drama queen?

" move this to the threads dedicated to wacko warming, cooling, no change Climate Change?"

Random if you actually looked at the facts about climate change and resolved to be honest about what see in those facts you would see the truth about it.

But you see the issue as one side's political cause which it isn't. And that influences your opinion.

It is an issue that is pertinent to all of us.

Its ok to be skeptical but your posts suggest you are ignorant as all get out on the issue.

And when you post. And say what you do. To me it marks you as a dishonest person.

Nope not going anywhere. LOL!

I might if I could see the dialog on here become unpolitical. These issues dont have to involve politics.

But I dont think that is even minutely possible. For one thing I've noticed quite a few folks on here are drama queens. And drama queens absolutely get off on being contentious.

Which leads to another issue with having unbiased discussion. I have noticed that quite a few folks can only function in a conversation when it is adversarial in nature. Furthermore few if any can or are willing to concede when they are wrong on an issue.

People can't check their ego's at the proverbial door if you will.

But that is to be expected when one party is absolute in its aims to quash what the other side brings to the table regardless of what the facts say about a given issue.

you know it is getting bad when the right starts using Bill.the prudes sure have lived a sheltered life.

their decline into madness sure is fun to watch though.

" LaPierre told several thousand people that the "political and media elites" have tried to use December's shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school and other recent mass shootings "to blame us, to shame us, to compromise our freedom for their agenda." "

. . .

NRA leaders say gun rights fight far from over

(foxnews.mobi)

But, but, but, but, but, but, but, oh, look, a hole in the ground. Could you, would you, please, move this to the threads dedicated to wacko warming, cooling, no change Climate Change? BTW Bill Maher said that: "Obama would still be a Community Organizer if he had been busted for the pot he was so into." Not even a mention of Obama's assertion that he also bought and sold c0caine. Some of the things that makes one absolutely dumbfounded to the events of 2008 and after inflicting massive damage on the country repeated in 2012. We are not the absolutists, the Left has absolutely lost their collective minds.

I know that's silly but taking an absolutist position on everything being done only as you see fit is even more silly. In fact it's downright damaging to OUR country.

Obama becoming president messed you guys up so much you dont know your buts from a hole in the ground.

No that wasn't the proposed solution. But someone has to bring a thread of good reasoning into the discussion.

Like Harry mentioned this is an issue that is best solved by engineers not politicians.

And like Harry said lets not resort to rash action which I might add politicians are apt to doing. When he mentioned that it applied to both sides of the political spectrum. At least it looked as if it did to me.

Part of the problem is that its impossible to discuss this issue without partisan politics muddying up the dialog. Which is further aggravated by the simple fact that some folks just cant switch off the need to shut down what the other side is concerned about.

I'll sum that sentiment up like this. Obama can drum up droves of business for dentists. All he has to do is indorse the use of toothpaste and the folks that dont like him will stop using it out of spite.

That's my proposed solution.

That's my proposed solution.

that is not and never was the solution to the supposed problem. TAX and regulations are the leftists answer to any problem, real or imagined.

Can not wait to see how the others spit on that sound reasoning.

Let’s take this problem away from the politicians and the bean counters and let the engineers solve it.

Tiredofit keeps asking for a solution. Here’s my take on it.

Let’s resolve to think soberly, and not let anybody frighten us into hasty and rash action. Let’s approach this with what the Bible says God gives us, which is “not a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.”

I believe we’re well able to deal with climate change. We humans are clever engineers, and I’m confident we can find an engineering solution. After all, heat is energy, and we need energy, so should consider the excess heat in the earth a resource to be exploited.

We can already exploit it. We already transform solar energy into electrical energy. I believe we will find ways use this resource more efficiently. We just have to decide to do it, and not let fearful and hysterical people distract us.

In my view, the excess heat that is not being radiated into space is a friend who has come to make our lives easier.

Take that, alarmists!

I repeat some of the key phrases published in Nature.

“Our results hence point at the key role of the ocean heat uptake in the recent warming slowdown.”

And this, far from undermining climate science…

“…strengthens our confidence in the robustness of our climate models.”

“The earth” is not “cooling,” according to scientists who study and measure natural phenomena, despite the hysterical claims of anonymous internet posters and journalists who specialize in economics.

More evidence that the ocean is absorbing excess heat became available Apr.25 when NOAA reported that NE Continental Shelf waters were higher than ever during the last half of 2012.

ww w.nefsc.noaa.gov/press_release/2013/SciSpot/SS1304/

And a study published in Nature said:

“Despite a sustained production of anthropogenic greenhouse gases, the Earth’s mean near-surface temperature paused its rise during the 2000–2010 period… Most of this excess energy was absorbed in the top 700?m of the ocean at the onset of the warming pause, 65% of it in the tropical Pacific and Atlantic oceans. Our results hence point at the key role of the ocean heat uptake in the recent warming slowdown. The ability to predict retrospectively this slowdown not only strengthens our confidence in the robustness of our climate models, but also enhances the socio-economic relevance of operational decadal climate predictions.”

ww w.nature.co m/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1863.html