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Anti-coal zealots a threat to millions

June 26, 2013

From time to time we are chastised by those upset at our use of the term “radical environmentalists.” That is too harsh, the critics insist. No, it is not, as Rep....

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WhatsNext

Jun-28-13 4:05 PM

"Stripe Mining: the art of removing stripes from zebras, skunks, etc." While it is a very complicated process, artists of the craft have come to the conclusion that it is easier to just paint over one set of stripes thereby making the animal either all black or all white. This is along the same vein in which Barack Obama, being both black and white, decided that it would be more beneficial to himself if he went with the black aspect of his being. And md, do you use the electricity provided by the nasty coal-fired plants or do you have a hamster-on-a-wheel to provide the power for your computer? Just curious.

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denver

Jun-27-13 7:38 PM

"I got on my big 2 wheels this weekend and rode through parts of Fayette, Raleigh, McDowell, Mingo, Logan, Boone, and Wayne Counties in WV and parts of southeastern KY, to the tune of about 500 miles and while I saw a number of MTR sites, the moonscape destruction that "environment whacko's" then "The roads are some of the best in WV, the mountains range high with lush green vegetation and stream run cool and albeit somewhat muddy, for the most part clear." then "I stopped at for gas outside of Welch and was talking to one gentleman who was going to {Anawalt Lake} to fish for trout and largemouth bass, according to him some of the best fishing around."

what does Anawalt Lake got to do with {@neocurmudgeon74} strip mining?

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BakerKat

Jun-27-13 3:17 PM

I just read an article yesterday about how there is so much more carbon in the air and according to scientists it should be a lot hotter that it is - that the earth's temp has remained fairly flat the last 10 years - and they don't know why it isn't hotter. Maybe because they don't know as much as they think they do - yet we follow them blindly.

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neocurmudgeon74

Jun-27-13 9:54 AM

denver, what is "stripe" mining?

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wizard1174

Jun-27-13 9:43 AM

Mythrve: You summed it up very well. AGAIN Why are we not sticking to the subject? Why throw personal attacks at one another? Can we keep the discussion on the primary topic? TYPICAL?

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AaronS

Jun-27-13 9:09 AM

Here you go denver. Read up.

*******en.wikipedia****/wiki/Anawalt_Lake_Wildlife_Management_Area

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AaronS

Jun-27-13 9:07 AM

I never said Anawalt lake had anything to do with strip mining denver. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth and steer the conversation off topic?

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denver

Jun-27-13 5:27 AM

"got to do with stripe mining"

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denver

Jun-27-13 5:26 AM

What about the question there little buddy, what does Anawalt Lake get to do with stripe mining?

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 10:15 PM

I read Mr. Mullins blog md. It's interesting that he promotes personal responsibility of the individual, something you and the dumb one are arguing against on another thread.

Other than that, I wasn't overly impressed.

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 8:59 PM

Nope

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 8:05 PM

You made a declarative statement Dennie. I'm simply asking for clarification.

On that point, I've got to say that when you can't explain you're own statements I've got to wonder about your mental make up.

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mythravere

Jun-26-13 7:43 PM

You know I agree about the negatives of coal. But are people ready for a significant hike in their power bills?

Plus it makes no sense for us to hamstring ourselves when the rest of the world isn't onboard with carbon reduction.

Sure by all means clean it up. But hiking the price of energy is going to hurt a lot of people.

Its all about finding an even and fair solution.

Also the anti-coal folks have to realize that for people living in the coal fields mining is all they got when it comes to jobs.

People take pride in having generations in the mines. They take pride in their small communities that wouldn't exist without coal.

Trying to stamp out that industry will hurt those people big time.

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denver

Jun-26-13 7:19 PM

Here we go, with the off topic questions! How about an answer my question, what does Anawalt Lake get to do with stripe mining? Other than to prove manydemocrats point. There little buddy?

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 7:01 PM

How did he prove me wrong about the lake dennie? And why is it that no one wants to discuss the Backbone Mointain MTR site?

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denver

Jun-26-13 6:54 PM

See "manydemocrats" you prove 'AaronS" wrong about Anawalt Lake and what stripe mining does to the State, and then "AaronS" wants to discuss Backbone Mountain, and then wants to know why that is? Here is a question for you there little buddy, If you know so much about stripe mining how did you come up with Anawalt Lake?

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 4:42 PM

I also can't help but not that you didn't discuss Backbone Mountain in Tucker County and that former MTR site. Why is that md?

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 4:41 PM

Marlarkey md. You don't know what you're talking about. Yes, a MTR site can and is devastating. I do not deny that as I have been right in the center of them. They are everything that the pictures paint them to be. But when the coal is removed, they do not remain that way as you would others believe. AOC mandates that if they are not otherwise used as is the case on most, they must be restored, which they are. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And the 500 miles was over 2 days, not one. It's an average weekend for me on my bike. If you like, I'll take you sometime. You can ride on the seat appropriately named and I'll show you southern WV as it really is, not as you imagine it from your computer room at home.

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manydemocrats

Jun-26-13 4:25 PM

Aaron, It was you, in your 8:47 post that painted the ALL SO ROSY PICTURE of the southern coal fields. At the same time, knowing that no one is going to travel the 500 miles that you claim you did, to view it for themselves. So your a liar and want to give a picturesque perspective to an entire area of the state, that has been DEVASTATED and UNMERCIFULLY RAPED by the coal industry barons. And it continues to this day. Yeah, you may be able to convince a few of your uneducated sheeple of the Right Wing that you know what you speak about. But I know better.... I referred anyone that is doubtful to a Facebook Blog entitled: "THE THOUGHTFUL COAL MINER" On that blog they can read the statements of people living in that region and view photos of the devastation themselves. .... I HAVE LIVED IT AND I HAVE BEEN THERE TOO. I BELIEVE THEM, LONG BEFORE I BELIEVE YOU....

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 3:19 PM

It seems to me md that if you believe the people won't get out and see for themselves the destruction you claim, you would be more like to embellish in your descriptions. Is that why you aren't being truthful?

While you're stammering to answer that, perhaps you can show me where I said anything about poverty in southern WV!!!

Suttle, I've seen mountain top sites from the air and I agree they can be chilling. What's cool is to see what they can turn into. From shopping centers, golf courses, schools to airports, the possibilities are plentiful as each site offers a very rare commodity in southern WV; flat land. It's hard to plan any industry without that, don't you agree!!!!!

I will say that I did witness one MTR site on Backbone Mountain in Tucker County that even after the diet movers left is still destroying interior forest. Care to guess why???

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Suttle

Jun-26-13 10:48 AM

Out politicians need to plan an economy without coal for west Virginia. The battle for coal is lost, we need to get over it. While coal will certainly be mined for generations to come, it will never by KING again. AaronS, you have to see mountain top removal from the air, not from the ground. I fly frequently from Charleston to Atlanta and back (Delta) and the sight below is appalling. I whole heartily agree that when driving through southern West Virginia you will rarely witness the sight of mountain top removal, but from the air the sight of destruction is chilling.

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manydemocrats

Jun-26-13 9:39 AM

Aaron: You challenge the readers to ""GO SEE FOR THEMSELVES" while you know that they are NOT going to do so. So you fed them a TOTAL ABSOLUTE LIE in your statements, regarding those counties and the poverty that exists there. I have been in all those counties and most counties in West Virginia. You DECEPTIVELY mention Trout fishing at ANAWALT lake. The TRUTH is Anawalt Lake is a 7 acre lake, part of a protected 1792 acre site, that has been protected from the ravages of the Coal Maggots. If anyone wants a true perspective of the WV Coal Industry, I would suggest a Facebook Page entitled: ""The Thoughtful Coal Miner"" It's a truthful and revealing blog about the APPALACHIAN Coal Fields from a Coal Miner. Despite what the coal industry would have us believe, the industry has never been a friend to Appalachia. Since its inception, the industry has exploited mountain people and recklessly endangered lives for their own profit.

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AaronS

Jun-26-13 8:47 AM

I got on my big 2 wheels this weekend and rode through parts of Fayette, Raleigh, McDowell, Mingo, Logan, Boone, and Wayne Counties in WV and parts of southeastern KY, to the tune of about 500 miles and while I saw a number of MTR sites, the moonscape destruction that "environment whacko's" often credit to mining communities are nowhere to be found. The roads are some of the best in WV, the mountains range high with lush green vegetation and stream run cool and albeit somewhat muddy, for the most part clear.

I stopped at for gas outside of Welch and was talking to one gentleman who was going to Anawalt Lake to fish for trout and largemouth bass, according to him some of the best fishing around. He said he’s lived there most of his life and the air and water’s cleaner than Columbus and he wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world. Instead of listening to the mistruths of others, I would suggest that if one wants to learn the truth, go see for yourself.

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manydemocrats

Jun-26-13 7:48 AM

I proudly wear the label of an anti-coal zealot. Having been born and raised in the WV coal fields, I have witnessed the Raping of West Virginia by these Corporate Leaches all of my life. Probably TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS have been removed from this state in the past 100 years. During this same time these Coal PARASITES have corrupted our political system. They have polluted our air, rivers, creeks, and streams. Destroyed our roads with their overloaded trucks, that also belch out a stream of black soot into the air. They have negligently killed or maimed thousands of innocent, uneducated, workers with their unsafe working conditions. After killing or maiming those workers, they unmercifully "fight in the courts" to deny the families JUST and Fair Compensation for the loss of their loved ones. Coal is a dirty, filthy product, that has ran it's ugly course in West Virginia history. A word of advise, Mr McKinley. YOU NEED to Get on the payrolls of the Natural Gas, Wind & Nuc

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